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Comments heard from unseen, indescipherable.

Chris Collingwood
be dating yourself. Couldn't be that one

Chris Collingwood
All right we can we can roll I'm gonna start with what passes for me as a joke I just warn you about that so you're not taken by surprise but I'll you'll see what it is and then we'll go right into Survival Car okay here here we go. We rollin?

Chris Collingwood
gonna make sure I've got my cheat sheet here. Okay. Not ready. Okay. Oh, do you have a level
Okay here goes.

Pete Fornatele
Hello again everyone and welcome to another edition of Mixed Bag radio. This is Pete Fornatale at the Museum of Television and Radio in New York City with my special guests today. Three men who when standing side by side have a wing span of over 12 feet. I'm sorry check that, Fountains of Wayne.

Schlesinger:
we're down to eight feet at this point. We've contracted slightly

Collingwood
so should we just go, Survival Car it is

Collingwood & Schlesinger perform:
don't you want to ride in my survival car. We can takey the long way through Central Park. Funny how the ground can find my wheels going right in on a path we made to Union Square. Doing what the young folks do in West Coast towns..Funny how the ground can find my wheels going where the road won't dare riding on the path we made to Union Square.
Everybody hit the ground, I think I might have missed my calling. Everybody turned around the lights about to change you better stand aside why you want to walk? Don't you want to ride ride ride ride don't you want to ride in my survival car? We can take the long way home.
Funny how the ground can find my wheels going where the road ain't there. Riding on a path we made to Union Square. Riding on a path we made riding in on the path we made to Union Square.

Pete Fornatale
Fountains of Wayne or at least half of fountains of Wayne with us today Adam Schlesinger and Chris Collingwood. Really the core of the group for some time now, you two have known one another since college days. That's true. That's correct. I read somewhere, way back in the last century. We have, we have obviously one Jersey person represented here. That would be Adam. Yes, Chris, you are by way of...

Chris Collingwood
Pottstown, Pennsylvania.

Pete Fornatale
And but the meeting point was Williams College in Massachusetts. Tell me about the first time you ever met, interacted...

Adam Schlesinger
which could work in our favor.

Pete Fornatale:
which is a good thing. You know what? I was going to save this for later. But let's tackle the name right away because there is some prominence to it beyond you guys. And I guess you're the culprit here Adam if I'm not mistaken. You were raised in Montclair, New Jersey.

Adam:
Yes.

Pete Fornatale:
And very nearby there is a is a what could you call it a garden store? A statuary store?

Adam: Like an Emporium I think.

Pete Fornatale:
An Emporium I like that. I like that, called Fountains of Wayne, which has gained some prominence because of its exposure in the Sopranos.

Adam Schlesinger:
I mean, it's sort of a landmark for anybody that lives in that area. Anyway, it's a very prominent place because it's sort of on the intersection of two big highways, which is what most of the world thinks New Jersey is anyway, it's just the intersection of a bunch of highways but but in fact, everybody from northern New Jersey already knows this place. So you know, it sort of helped us bond with everyone from around there right right away.

Pete Fornatale
I'm also told that it is surrounded on either side by a burger joint called Anthony Wayne's, is that right?

Adam Schlesinger
Oh, that was one of the Tick Tock was done. The wrong location of

Adam Schlesinger
No Tick Tock is on Route three. Okay, in Clifton or Passaic? No, it's the reason I actually always passed Fountains of Wayne is because it's right around the corner from the DMV where you get your drive by license.

Pete Fornatale
I said on the other side. That's and it's, you know, DMVs are notorious everywhere. But I'm told that that's a particularly bad one with lines running from here to Bucks County probably. So you had some personal experience with that, that DMV?

Adam Schlesinger:
Oh many times, many times Yep. And so yeah, I actually I had to go there to take a moped driving test once. You know in New Jersey, you don't get your driver's license until you're 17 which is sort of late, but you can get a moped license when you're 15. So it's really embarrassing. You have to go out there and have some guy watch you, you know, maneuver a moped.

Fornatale:
I didn't know you needed a license for a moped? , I never had one when I had a moped.

Adam Schlesinger:
Well, I fee iit's my duty to perform a CITIZENS ARREST.

Fornatale:
The other Jersey question is for you, Chris, how did you relate since you carry this name? How do you relate to, let's say, Jersey culture and Jersey musicians?

Chris Collingwood
I'm actually a way bigger Springsteen fan than he is. So I mean, I've been in to well, not Bon Jovi exactly. But that's a hard question. I it's not that different from where I grew up, you know, it's just suburban America.

Schlesinger:
I think there's been a little bit of a misperception that because we named the band after a place in New Jersey that we just write about New Jersey. And that's what we do. And there are some songs that are actually about New Jersey, but I think there are songs that are sort of about a lot of different places, and a lot of different things, too. So it's, you know,

Fornatale
Universal,universal, and I mean, you mentioned the Tappan Zee Bridge, but it can be a traffic jam on any bridge. It's universal suburbia. It's universal rat race. And and I think I think that's what elevates the songs to another level, frankly, we'll talk more about that as we as we move along. But each of you tell me three core artists or bands that formed your musical consciousness?

Chris Collingwood
I think we both say the Beatles first and foremost. That's a hard question. Like the top three. I mean, I'm a Zombies fan. We both like a lot of that British Invasion stuff. And I think that sort of led into we've started listening to like the 80s, our pop kind of stuff coming out of Europe. Kind of when American music wasn't so fun. We're obviously Cars fans, I think that comes through a lot.

Schlesinger:
I like Randy Newman a lot. I mean, we were friends with a lot of singer songwriters. Maybe as much as we are a particular band, you know. Randy Newman in particular is one of my favorites. Elvis Costello. We were both big fans for a long time. I don't know what else

Collingwood: Tom Waitz . Getting closer to sounding like vocally?

Fornatale:
I'm guessing that you were just by virtue of your ages, post British invasion. You weren't. You know, you weren't watching Ed Sullivan on February 9 1964, obviously, but how did you pick up on it?

Schlesinger:
Oldies stations. I had a bunch of Beatles records given to me by an aunt when I was, I guess a baby. And so you know, those were really the only records I had, for a long time. I sort of just thought the Beatles were music until a certain point because I didn't have anything else to listen to. I think I had Beatles, and I had Free To Be You and Me.. That was my record collection.

Collingwood
Marlo and yeah. And Mel Brooks is on that album, actually.

Schlesinger:
Yep, yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, eventually I realized there were other groups as well.
How about you. ...Rolling Stones?

Collingwood:
For me, I was just unable to avoid it. You know, I didn't like the hair bands when I was a kid. And that was the thing before it was the Beatles. So I don't know. Still on the radio when I was growing up, you know?

Fornatale
Again, knowing your ages I thought you might be horrified by some of the groups that I'm going to name who I hear resonances of in your music, but I made a list of four And it was monkeys, Beatles, Kinks, and the Circle. Remember the Circle?

Collingwood
Red Rubber Ball?

Fornatale:
The reason I think that well, Lennon McCartney as a writing team, Ray Davies, as a writer, you know, I feel that in the things that you to do together. Ray Davies once told me that the most dangerous day in his life was when he discovered the dictionary. And it was at the time of Well Respected Man. Prior to that, it was basically the hammer them over the head all day, and on the night, you really got me. But he began this whole subtle exploration of characters and language and vocabulary, with Well Respected Man. And then on forward to the, to the present day. There's obviously a literacy to what you guys do a sense of humor, that's not, you know, Pie in the Face laugh out loud, funny, it just seems a little bit off kilter a little bit off to the side where sometimes, I don't know if you're being serious,

Schlesinger
I don't think we know either half the time.

Pete Fornatale 16:53
But I'd love to know how the writing process evolved between the two of you.

Fornatale:
The one we opened with was from the first album, was that one of the earlier earliest things?

Schlesinger:
Yeah, well, that whole record was actually written in about a week, because we just got sort of excited about this thing we had stumbled upon, I guess, I mean, the first songs that Chris brought in were a song called Radiation Vibe, which turned out to be our first single. And there was a song called Joe Ray, which he just wrote about a guy that he worked with, in an office. And, you know, so I went back home that night, and tried to come up with a couple really fast and it just sort of went from there. And literally, the whole record was written in about a week.

Collingwood:
And then recorded in about a week as well.

Pete Fornatale:
Was there that moment, when you said to yourselves, we're gonna do this, we're gonna we're gonna go for the we're gonna go for the brass ring.

Collingwood:
I don't think either one of us thinks that we're going to turn into like Matchbox 20 or anything. That's what you mean. But pretty happy if we just have a career of doing this, you know.

Pete Fornatale:
You mentioned the circumstances under which the songs for the first album were written and the album was recorded. What was different with the second one?

Collingwood:
We took a lot more time with it which for us was what a month?

Schlesinger:
Yeah,we stretched it way out.

Collingwood:
Yeah, we tried to make the second record a little bit more diverse musically. It didn't really turn out that way I don't think but that was the goal.

Pete Fornatale:
Is there a song from the second one that that you still do or would do for us?

Collingwood:
we do a lot of them, um

Fornatale:
Red?

Schlesinger:
oh yeah

Pete Fornatale:
That's why the roadmap.

Schlesinger:
Here we go. yeah, this is this is called Red Dragon Tattoo.

Collingwood:
All right. I'm gonna have to stop in the middle of this and refuel.

Pete Fornatale
fountains of Wayne and a live version of a song from their second album that's called Red Dragon Tattoo sort of brings us up to the point where you said your goodbye to Atlantic Records, it didn't, again, achieve the tonnage that I guess a record company like that requires these days, an amicable parting, I'm sure.

Schlesinger:
Oh yeah, youknow, we get together for drinks all the time.

Pete Fornatale
Did it Did it give you doubts about what you were doing? Did it take you off the path of pursuing the dream for a while?

Schlesinger:
Um, you know, I don't think it gave us doubts in a creative sense. I think I think we were both a little bit exhausted after the end of the tour for our second album, because we had done a lot of touring for each album. And I think we, we both kind of needed to just take a break. So we spent about a year and, you know, kind of on break from fountains of Wayne and then we got back together and started slowly putting this new record together, kind of on our own schedule and on our own dime. And, and, you know, we spent about a year writing and making this record, sort of on and off, and then when it was done, thankfully, we were able to find a way to get it released fairly quickly. But you know, we just needed a breather from the whole thing in order to feel reinvigorated and creative again.

Pete Fornatale
You know, when you look at a picture like that, it reminds me of something that I think George Carlin said about the laugh track that they use on sitcoms Those laugh tracks were recorded in the I Love Lucy days, and they use them for 50 years. No one in that audience is with us anymore. So every time you're hearing Different Strokes with that laugh track, you're hearing these dead laughing and applauding Oh, and you can't help. You know, what's what was that movie with? With Robin Williams as a teacher? Dead Poets Society? Yeah, yeah. Dead Poets Society, you know, when he goes and finds the old picture of the graduating class from whatever, 40 or 50 years before and you know, says they're all dust Carpe Diem. Right. You know, that seems to be a message from your record intended or not.

Schlesinger:
My goodness, I don't think it was as as intended is that unnecessarily but it is fun. It is fascinating to look at those old photos and we both actually sort of collect them. And we've and we've, we've both found these these old group pictures in various thrift stores when we're on tour and stuff and they are fun and part of it is that because you're looking at this whole world that you're not a part of.

Pete Fornatale
But you see what happens when you throw your art out into the marketplace. It's not yours anymore. Dorks like me can come along and make comments like that about your album graphics. Listen the lead track from from the album is terrific. Many of our listeners have seen you do it on on Letterman and Conan, I am sure. Why don't we play it from the record and this is the one that I would point to as having the Cars influence right out of the box. Do you agree?

Schlesinger and Collingwood:
Definitely.

Fornatale:
This is Fountains of Wayne and Stacy's Mom on Mixed Bag Radio. Post production. That's the single, cool . Do we still call things? Singles?

Collingwood:
Yes.

Fornatale:
That's Stacy's Mom, the first single from the latest album by Fountains of Wayne, Welcome interstate Managers. I'll have more with Chris and Adam after this.

Pete Fornatale
If one were looking for prototypes, Mrs. Robinson comes to mind as one

Schlesinger:
Yeah, sure. kind of like Jessie's Girl, Rick Springfield. kind of crossed that with the cars or something.

Pete Fornatale
or even the well, this isn't a song, but it's the character in the American Pie series.

Schlesinger:
Yeah, the the I'm actually

Collingwood:
showed that guy. We never met him. You didn't mean,

Fornatale:
you did a show?

Schlesinger:
He was the guest on David Letterman Show. And we were there. And I think that our manager or someone tried to point out to David Letterman, that he should make that connection between Stiffler and us and David Letterman was just not interested at all. Thank you. I'll run my own show.

Pete Fornatale
I understand. There's an interesting video to accompany Stacy's Mom, even though this is radio, maybe you can tell us a little about it.

Collingwood:
There's Rachel Hunter in it.

Pete Fornatale
Right there. You got my attention. Haba hubba

Schlesinger:
We have a friend, a video director named Chris Applebaum, who we've known since he was doing videos for free for indie rock bands, and now he's a big shot and does Britney Spears videos and things like that. And he sort of did us a big favor and agreed to do this video for us for a lot less than he normally gets paid. And he was also able to wrangle getting Rachel Hunter in the video and, and it was really his concept. You know, I mean, the only thing that we talked about with him beforehand is we wanted to make a really summery, fun, sexy video and we didn't particularly want to be in it very much ourselves. You took it from there.

Pete Fornatale
Is it on your website?

Schlesinger:
It's on the MTV website. I don't think it's on ours actually.

Schlesinger:
But that's like Born to Run. Born to Run as the state song

Pete Fornatale
Reagan quotes Born to Run, uh Born in the USA. Born in the USA

Schlesinger:
No No no Born to Run there was a big campaign to try to make that then state anthem of New Jersey.

Pete Fornatale
We are talking about two different things but they both involve Bruce one was a campaign to make that the state song. Listen to the lyrics guys. And the other one was Reagan quoting Born in the USA trying to co op Bruce of all things right. You know, he spoke out against that happily. Hackensack ack ack I just lost my train of thought I wanted to ask you something.

Collingwood:
I went over there.

Pete Fornatale
You mentioned the Allentown It's that idea of our concept of celebrity in this world right now Is so twisted. That notoriety by any means, you know, Monica Lewinsky, you know, I think she could become the poster girl for what I'm talking about here or Allentown being proud of the song that says how, how depressing it is, you know,

Chris Collingwood and Adam Schlesinger members of the band, Founains of Wayne, perform the song, Hackensack from their latest CD, Welcome Interstate Managers.

Collingwood:
Yeah, nothing rhymes with Borgnine.

Pete Fornatale
Work on that will ya, That's great. I don't want to overthink this. But even in that song this is somebody who you could view strictly as a pathetic loser, waiting for this person who's left Hackensack in the dust to come home. And yet somehow, you you you make the person sympathetic, so that it's not just something so easily dismissable. Is that a conscious part of the process? Or am I overthinking it?

Schlessinger:
Um no, I mean, I think a lot of times when you're writing a song, at least in my case, you're not exactly sure what it is. You're writing, you just sort of put it together and see see where it's going. But but but I do think that we don't ever want to write songs that seem snide, or, you know, like, like, we're making fun of a character or something like that. I mean, I think apart from anything else, it's just not that interesting. I think keeping some kind of ambiguity in a song is part of what makes it interesting and makes it worth listening to more than once.

Pete Fornatale
We hadn't talked about this, but I'm going to ask you about it, and then probably play it. So our listeners know what I'm talking about. There's a song on here called All Kinds of Time. Now, when I heard it, I took it to be a song of a person in the moment, as they say, in sports, or probably even music in the zone. When I was reading stuff, reviews of the album, somebody comes along and says, Oh, that's just that's, that's a put down of the old quarterback reliving His glory days. And I thought, well, wait a minute, that's not the song I heard. And it just occurred to me to ask you, which of those you intended with, with the song called All Kinds of Time.

Schlessinger
It's not supposed to be a put down at all. I mean, it started just because that phrase, All Kinds of Time, is this weird sports cliche. And I just started thinking about, well, you know, what would it mean, if you took that really literally, and it sort of just supposed to be this little moment, in this one play, the guy gets the ball, and he sort of has a few seconds before he figures out what he's going to do with it. And you know, just sort of trying to slow that moment down. That that was really the only sort of intention with that song, to kind of create a little sort of sense of freeze frame. Yeah,

Pete Fornatale
Oh would that be in this collection Kenny has that article in here? Okay, have you read it somewhere, whatever, but you know it again, it shows you when you throw it out there it isn't yours anymore. Yeah, if that's what that guy's gonna believe. Right? So be it. Okay. We're coming out of All Kinds of Time, and I'm going to lead you into a live version of Valley Wintersong. All right. Do you need a minute

Pete Fornatale
we Okay, that's All Kinds of Time from Welcome Interstate Managers by my guests today, Fountains of Wayne. Actually Adam and Chris are here the other band members to give credit where credit is due.

Collingwood
They just walked in and walked out.
Schlessinger: Maybe they quit. They made some noise.
Collingwood: The other band probably heard the door slamming.

Schlessinger:
The other band members are Jody Porter, who's our guitar player and Brian Young is our drummer. And they have both been playing with us since 1996.

Pete Fornatale 46:39
The stones have a song called out of time. Does fountains of Wayne sometimes feel that way? If you guys were making records when that litany of bands I mentioned earlier where I think you'd be all over the charts and all over the radio. That's not the case in the new century.

Speaker 1 47:00
If we were around back then we probably would have just been ripping off like Cole Porter or something and people would have been saying if you guys went around in the 20s you would have been huge but

Pete Fornatale 47:09
do you sometimes get that sense of being a little out of step with I don't know, the commercial world or the

Speaker 3 47:16
I think we went into this to like make all a lot of money you know, I mean, if we did I'm sure we can just get tattoos and strutting around grunting just not worth it for me I'd rather do what I'm doing. Well we're just a bit of a bummer Do you have any money

Pete Fornatale 47:38
we're just happy you're doing it. There's all kinds of moods and attitudes on this album and another side of fountains of Wayne is represented by the song Valley Winter Song What can you tell me about that one I

Speaker 3 47:55
live in the valley up in Massachusetts now Pioneer Valley and just gets really cold and snowy out there. Makes me very depressed so I just kind of built it around character sweet and he's actually a plant growing in my garden

Pete Fornatale 48:12
would you do it for us

Pete Fornatale
yet another texture represented on the Welcome Interstate Managers album by fountains of Wayne that is a live version of Valley Winter Song This is Pete Fornatale from Mixedbag radio. I'll have more with Chris and Adam in a moment.

Schlesinger: I threw a little jazz into that solo. Live Radio

Pete Fornatale
homestretch guys and it'll be just to recap it'll be the Careless I'm gonna play Peace and Love from the CD and we'll close with Barbara H, okay.

Here we go
We actually do three hairless so we'll do that round thing like yeah, then we'll just


Pete Fornatale
Pete Fornatele back with you on Mixed Bag Radio with my guests, Adam Schlesinger and Chris Collingwood from fountains of Wayne. Adam, you were involved in a side project that I didn't know about or realize till I did some homework about you guys. A couple of years ago after his phenomenal success and Academy Awards, Tom Hanks did a little movie called That Thing You Do was his directorial debut. And I loved it. I once described that picture, if it were a puppy dog, it would have jumped down off the screen and licked your face while you were in the theater. And part of the charm was the music. And you wrote the faux hit the title, actually? Tell me how that experience came about.

Pete Fornatale
Obviously what you have in common with him is an affection for the music of that period. And you are able to replicate it so well you obviously do that in in Fountains of Wayne, I'm just wondering who of your heroes or who currently have you covered in in, in live performance.

Schlesinger:
We do a lot of covers, and we've actually had a spot in our set for years during the middle of a song called Radiation Vibe. There's a spot where we kind of just extend the song and throw in snippets of, you know, anywhere from three to 10 different covers all in the same song, it sort of just turns into this medley of anything we can think of on the spot. But we you know, we we love doing covers, we used to play covers, before we were in this band. And, you know, the guys in our band can can pretty much play anything that we can think of right on the spot. I mean, Jody knows every riff to every classic rock song that's ever been on the radio. So, you know, we love we love playing other people's songs,

Pete Fornatale
the obvious ones, Beatles, Kinks, Stones, and latter, who you're who your 70s or 80s groups that you do throw in,

Collingwood
We play all those Beatles and Kinks things but I think yeah, Cars. Sometimes it's just the sheer joy of Jody playing a riff that you haven't heard since 1980. Like he plays Foreigner, Kansas,

Schlesinger:
You know, and anything that sort of comes comes to mind -

Collingwood - ZZTop.

Schlesinger:
I mean, as far as covers that we've actually released. We've done some b sides that of we did an ELO song called Can't Get it Out of My Head. Sure. We we did a Jackson Browne cover. That was actually just Chris just solo acoustic, which was called These Days. And we used to play tThe Only Living Boy in New York by Paul Simon in our show a lot. And we did the Breakup song by Greg Kin recently, and it's just you know.

Pete Fornatale
Here's some more trivia for you, These Days was covered by Greg Allman on one of his solo albums, and by Ian Matthews, do you know he is? (Schlesinger - no) Ian Matthews was a member of the British group Fairport Convention, and he had some success as a soloist. In fact, his version of Woodstock, Joni's song, also made the charts Matthews Southern Comfort I think the band was called at that time

Schlesinger:
Nico did it I think, also


Pete Fornatale
With the bar scene from Star Wars thrown in somewhere, I'm sure. The reason I mentioned Ian Matthews is because his album, it was on an album of his called Valley High on Elektra produced by Mike Nesmith. Yeah, round and round the circle goes. Ummm A cover that you're currently doing, somebody we might not know.

Collingwood:
We just got off the road with this guy Dan Lee? And we're not actually going to play his song. But he was also a big fan of this guy named Paul Kelly, who's an Australian singer songwriter. And kind of the last night of the tour, we all just threw everybody on stage and did a version of the song we're about to play by Paul Kelly and it's called Careless

Pete Fornatale
your writers What attracted you to someone else's work?

Schlesinger
Paul Kelly is just, he's a really good storyteller. His songs are very kind of simple, almost folky a lot of times but really sort of character driven. And ,you know, I think we were both listening to Paul Kelly a lot especially at it at a point where we were really trying to get better as writers and he was very sort of instructive instructive in a weird way. I mean, his songs are so classically kind of structured and and concise you know, I think I think he's he's very, very consistent.

Chris Collingwood and Adam Schlesinger band members from Fountains of Wayne perform in Mixed Bag radio studio.

Collingwood:
That one wasn't gonna fly here was it.

Pete Fornatale
We had Colin Hay up last week from Men at Work. He's on tour with Ringo actually right now and Paul Carrick and he did a Springsteen cover for us, but forgot the words midsong. Tougher than the rest.

Schlesinger
So you went out on the internet and found it?

Pete Fornatale
it's up on the music stand. Boom, it's great when it works. It works. Okay, we're coming out coming out of the live song. That's terrific. That's Fountains of Wayne and a cover version of the Paul Kelly song, Careless. Guys as we said earlier, the nature of the business has changed. There is not I'm sorry, I'm not being articulate about this. I'm gonna start over

Pete Fornatale
Fountains of Wayne and a cover version of Paul Kelly's, Careless. We were talking earlier about your affection for, for lack of a better phrase 60s music or British Invasion music. And I have found that over the years I wasn't aware of this. But I have found that people of your generation, if I can use that term, are not necessarily all that warm and fuzzy about 60s music, or about baby boomer cultural landmarks like Woodstock. In fact, some of the information I get is that they're ticked and pissed off that has seen, it seems like the baby boomers had their way all their lives. And that those coming after them got a little bit of short shrift here and there You can certainly hear that in the way that music changed and in the way that some of the music takes on that issue. You guys don't seem to have any problem with that at all.

Pete Fornatale
Peace and love from Welcome Interstate Managers by Fountains of Wayne, Adam Schlesinger and Chris Collingwood of the group my guests today on on mixed bag radio. You guys are in a interesting position right now. This this album has certainly brought you back into the spotlight appearances on Letterman and Conan can't be all bad. How did that happen? How How are you enjoying that aspect of the media trip?


Collingwood:
I think it goes both ways, you know, it's we're thrilled and stuff, and glad to be having the attention. But it's really exhausting. I haven't really been home too much in the last three months. So that part of it is rough. Got a wife, cat garden.

Schlesinger
It's really funny for us to watch our video coming in between, you know, Beyonce and Justin Timberlake or something. I'm really enjoying that part of this particular moment. I don't know how long that will last.

Pete Fornatale
Um Your reviews are incredible little package is you know, chock full of people saying wonderful things about you. Although, you know, occasionally there's that comment about not being the right time for someone with your particular sensibility or your particular sound was the one that I wanted to mention. I think it's entertainment, weekly, catchy, catchy rock and roll is what they say. Fountains of Wayne. I mean, to me, that's a good thing. I mean, that's the that's the constant from, from Buddy Holly, through the Beatles, through Billy and Bruce, right up to the present. So I would be proud to wear that.

Schlesinger
It's funny that you know, people always throw the word catchy around me catchy is actually kind of easy. You just repeat something enough times and it's catchy. You know, I mean, we'll take it as a compliment. But it's sort of a weird one. Because, you know, it's like, I don't know, push it by Salt and Peppa is really catchy too. Because it's just one line over and over again.

Collingwood and Schlesinger members of Fountains of Wayne perform a song live in the studio from their first record, Barbara H