Title Slate: The Eleventh Hour #351 Marcos. Rec: 5/2/90. Dir: Andrew Wilk
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Host Robert Lipsyte sitting in the Eleventh Hour studio with 4 TV screens behind him. The top two read, "The Marcos Trial". He opens with, "Dragon Lady or Innocent Widow?" and states the headline seems to have attracted more fashion features than real reporting on the possible American government's complicity with her alleged fraud and racketeering
Lipsyte welcomes his viewers to the program and introduces himself. Still talking about Marcos, he announces guests coming up and cuts to an off-site segment looking into the deep implications of Marcos' trial featuring narrator, Joe Conason writer for the Village Voice.
Tilt down on Imelda Marcos holding a long stemmed rose and making her way through a frenzied media mob. Joe Conason narration.
B&W photo clip of a pair black pumps photographed from below the knee down, apparently belonging to Imelda Marcos.
Tilt down on Greek columns on the front of the United States Courthouse in New York City, steps leading up to front.
Pan in on Joe Conason walking down the steps talking with unseen cameraman narrates about the reality of Imelda's prosecution, both for the United States and the Philippines.
The national flag of the Philippines flying outside their Consulate building in Manhattan.
Pan out from the Philippine Consulate in Manhattan. Peds, cars and yellow cabs going by.
Wide shot, Interior meeting room of the Consulate filled with people seated. Unknown speaker at podium in bkgd.
Photos of the elaborate decorations inside the Philippines Consulate - gold tiered chandelier, wood carved ceiling and columns, ornate clock on the wall, floor to ceiling stained glass windows. Conason narrates the Hall was built by Imelda.
Filipino audience in meeting room at the Consulate.
Ted Laguantan, Legal Counsel for Philippine Government speaking at podium at the Consulate. He states to the audience that the US doesn't want to be a "haven for the ill acquired assets" stolen by any dictator.
Laguantan speaking with Joe Conason unseen at the Consulate hopes the Filipino people get justice and the properties can then be forfeited back to them.
Panel of Filipino women and Laguantan at podium.
Pan out on a row of the audience, many women are seen seated together.
Talking head Filipino man in a business suit speaking with unseen interviewer states he isn't happy her husband isn't around to face the same thing.
Talking head Filipino woman dressed in yellow says she is relieved now she (Marcos) is made to feel like herself, a human being.
Clip of President Ronald Reagan at speaking at podium, crowd standing behind him, and standing next to him is President Ferdinand Marcos. Conoson narrates about the support the Americans gave the Marcos that helped keep them in power for 20 years.
Carmen Pedrosa, biographer of Imelda Marcos and Philippine Government Spokesman of the trial speaking at podium in the Consulate.
Pedrosa speaking with unseen interviewer talking about the importance of the trial on the future of the Philippine and its relationship with America.
Huge crowd of Filipinos arms up in the air, around the election of Corazan Aquino where Marcos lost. Z' in on a yellow handheld sign in the shape of a hand reads in Philippine "Snap '86 Lakas NG"
President elect 1986, Corazan Aquino (in yellow dress) walking through the crowd. The end of the Marcos regime.
The Village Voice with the headline story, Marcos Takes Manhattan, How the First Family of the Philippines and Their Friends are Buying Up New York - By William Bastone & Joe Conason
Joe Conason, Journalist walking down a busy Ped street and talking into unseen camera about how Marcos loved NY and purchased several hi-rises.
Pan up on several of the expensive hi-rises Imelda Marcos purchased in New York City - The Crown Building at Fifth Ave and 57th Street across from Trump Tower; 200 Madison Avenue, the Herald Center across from Macy's Herald Square; and 40 Wall Street in he Financial District.
Pan down on 40 Wall Street to reveal Joe Conason reporting from out front of building, big bronze plaque on building with 40 Wall Street (other writing on plaque illegible)
Cutaway to B&W footage (1986) in the Philippines, soldiers in camp clothes holding rifles, standing near tank, shots can be herd.
B&W footage 1986 of rioting in protest of the Marcos' actions (his attempt to Steal the election) in the Philippines, crowd moving what looks like a barbed wire fence.
Color footage same mob, pushing wire fence into the crowd. Screaming and shouting is heard.
Ghetto in the Philippines, makeshift broken down shacks, garbage strewn everywhere, clothes on clothes line, naked children begging for food
POV moving vehicle showing more extreme poverty, long alley of makeshift broken down shacks attached side by side, clothes hanging from the shacks, litter.
Clips of rioting and revoution in Manilla as a result of Marcos' trying to STEAL THE '86 ELECTION, man slamming photo of Marco's with big stick, papers strewn everywhere, crowds of people shouting, paper thrown out of windows. - ALL SOUNDS EERILY FAMILIAR!
Aquinos in yellow dress at ceremony being sworn in, 1986. Lots of mics and surrounded by folk, cameras heard flashing
Franklin Siegel, Legal Representative for the Aquino government. He talks with unseen interviewer about the court order after the revolution where the Marcos' buildings and holdings were put on hold.
Adnan Khashoggi, indicted in the Marcos trial, making his way through a media mob in New York.
Footage of (Former US Attorney) Rudolph Giuliani circa 19889 at a press conference indicted Marcos' and others for racketeering.
Footage of Rudolph Giuliani circa 1989 at press conference related to the Imelda Marcos case
B&W photo still, Joseph Bernstein - New York real estate agent who turned against his clients, the Marcos'.
Footage of Defense Attorney, Gerry Spence, in large hat, moving through a media mob with Imelda Marcos.
Caesar Parlade, Commissioner, Philippines talking with unseen unknown interviewer, and speaking out about Imelda - she was a member of Parliament not an innocent housewife.
Imelda Marcos walking down the aisle with bridesmaids on her wedding day. Huge painting mural on the wall depicting the wedding.
Pan Imelda Marcos' amazing shoe closet, rows and rows of shoes on shelves.
Ted Laguatan, Immigrant from the Philippines and Legal Counsel for the Philippine Government, talking with unseen unknown immigrant about Imelda's opulent spending while so many Filipinos suffer states the rest of world is watching the trial waiting to see if justice will be carried out.
More footage of horrible poverty in the Philippines POV moving vehicle through an impoverished area. Dirt streets, barefoot people, clothes lines, makeshift housing.
Host Robert Lipsyte in the studio introduces and welcomes his first guest, Ninotchka Rosca, Filipino Journalist and Author of "State of War" and "End Game, the Fall of Marcos"
INTERVIEW - ROSCA
that this trial will decide the fate of the Philippines maybe is that hyperbolic? Or is it a very important trial?
Ninotchka Rosca 10:55
It is an exaggeration, it is important in the sense that the trial is confirming some of the things we've been saying since the late 60s. But in terms of sort solving the problems of the Philippines, I don't think the trial will have very much impact.
Robert Lipsyte 11:11
There's a sense to that there has been an enormous or a perception that there's been an enormous American complicity with the Marcos's for many years, that has not really emerged.
Ninotchka Rosca 11:23
Yes, definitely. And some of the Filipinos in New York feel that the trial is giving the United States are not an opportunity to wash its hands. For instance, if you recall the testimony of Oscar Carino, who was the president of the Philippine National Bank here in New York, he said that the New York State banking office was ready to close down the branch here, because it came to a point where the the brands owed something like $22 million to the Manila, or the Manila office, or the New York brands $22 million. And he brought this to the attention of Mr. Romualdez, Imelda's brother and Mr. Marcos. And they both assured him, you know, that they will do something about it. And nothing happened.
Robert Lipsyte 12:13
What do we need to know? I mean, beyond the shoes and the glitz, and this kind of facade of glamour that continues. What do we need to know about the Philippines and about our relations with the Philippines?
Ninotchka Rosca 12:26
Well, the first thing is that when we use the word democracy, applying it to the Philippines, what we mean actually is a country that is ruled and controlled by about 60 families, maybe 80, if you include the minor plans, this is actually a very feudal setup. And the electoral process is not the means of liberation that we have over here. But rather the electoral process becomes an instrument of of continued enslavement of the people
Robert Lipsyte 13:00
Let me interrupt you for just a moment. I mean, we were also led to believe that with the purging of the marcoses, especially the purging of a Imelda exorcism, that the problems will be solved that the Philippines are going to be all right.
Ninotchka Rosca 13:15
Recent events will tell us this is not true. The mainstay of the Marcos dictatorship was the Philippine military. And that institution has remained basically the same as it was back in Marcos time
Robert Lipsyte 13:31
Do you have any concern that a trial like this and the kind of coverage is getting obscures the problems?
Ninotchka Rosca 13:38
A Yes, as a matter of fact, majority of the Filipinos here in New York in particular, are hard put to find an explanation for this trial within the context of what is going on in the Philippines. I've heard very wild hypothesis once said, this is connect connected with the basis agreement extension and so on Subic Bay, Clark, Clark.
Robert Lipsyte 14:06
Well, first of all, should this trial really be being held in Manila? Perhaps instead of New York,
Ninotchka Rosca 14:12
I would personally prefer that the trial be held in Manila, we have not been able to hold accountable any government official for acts that while in office, not in the last 200 years. And because this trial is being held in New York, it signals kind of subtle message that the Philippine government is unable to mete out justice when it comes to the marcoses. We have to rely on the American justice system to do that,
Robert Lipsyte 14:42
it would it would be a continuation of what some people would perceive as imperialism
Ninotchka Rosca 14:46
as a colonial and dependent relationship. And also you ask the question, Does a government which is unable to mete out justice, does that government have the right to rule
Robert Lipsyte 15:01
Yes, but so it almost seemed. I almost hear you saying that it's irrelevant. What happens to Imelda?
Ninotchka Rosca 15:11
Basically, yes, for majority of the Filipinos, Mrs. Marcos then the entire Marcos clan and on well this clan are a moot point. This trial comes 20 years too late. It cannot make restitution for all the things which happened to us the last 20 years
Robert Lipsyte 15:33
And yet, beyond that, as a Filipina, she is also become symbolic of, of a Philippine woman.
Ninotchka Rosca 15:44
This is the irony, Mrs. Marcos is not exactly the person you would like to be a symbol of Filipino woman. But some Filipinos feel uneasy about the fact that of all the dictatorships and wives of dictators. Why Imelda alone, I mean, not to be sympathetic with Mrs. Marcos. I mean, I, for one believe that she deserves any and all unfortune that comes our way. But it's just curious,
Robert Lipsyte 16:18
why would you take that one step forward, your curiosity, you have a suggestion of why we feel this way about her?
Ninotchka Rosca 16:24
Oh, well, the question is why she of all the dictators you have Lon Nol Over here, you had all kinds of ex heads of state who have looted their countries. But why is it that there's this particular focus on the Philippines, a lot of Filipinos say it's because it only involves Filipinos. So there's a racist component to it. And they say this kind of humiliation is being visited on this woman. And she is the one who is being pounded because she is a woman. So there was a sexist component to it. It's very difficult thing. I personally am quite ambivalent about this trial. I feel that we should have this trial back in the Philippines. And I feel that the marcoses their colonies should be charged with more grievous crimes, like conspiracy to commit subversion and treason. Because Ferdinand and his friends in government violated his oath of office. But unfortunately,
Robert Lipsyte 17:35
would like to see her in jail.
Ninotchka Rosca 17:38
Not really, I'd like I'd like to see her back in the Philippines as an average ordinary citizen may be a member of the Metro Manila, a battalion you know those people who sweep the streets
Robert Lipsyte 17:53
wearing sneakers ugly shoes for sure. Ninotchka Rosca thanks so very much for being with us.
Interview concludes, Lipsyte thanks Rosca. He announces guests coming up and cuts to a segment on "the media on Imelda, it's been mostly shoe time..."
Imelda Marcos surrounded by media
Headline from newspaper clipping - "Shoe Time" with photo of Marcos with her Defense Attorney, Gerry Spence.
Montage of B&W photos and clippings overlay Marcos' in the midst of a media mob - high heeled pumps, headline "OINK!" with Imelda's photo, more feet in black pumps, clipping "Trying to Make Those Shoes and Those Jewels OK"
Back in the studio with Lipsyte, he introduces and welcomes next guests: Cindy Adams , Gossip Columnist New York Post and long time confidant for the Marcos' family; Richard Cohen, Media Commentator
INTERVIEW: ADAMS & COHEN
Cindy. Even the noch guraska who is no friend of Imelda Marcos felt a certain sympathy for her is something unfair happening here?
Cindy Adams 18:52
Well, I am not an apologist for Imelda Marcos, I think the unfairness has to do simply with the fact that our government gave the Marcos's asylum. This is all I believe that the Marcos's were brought here to be comfortable. And then for us to attack them is just not against. It's against anything. I believe we did it to the Shah. We're doing it now to the marcoses. That is the unfairness in my view.
Robert Lipsyte 19:17
What does this mean to you, the American government can't be counted upon that we betray our friends and
Cindy Adams 19:25
I've got friends who are in trouble, but if I say come to my house, you're going to be okay. And then I invite someone to attack them. There's something inherently wrong in that. We are not saying that Mrs. Marcos or the Marki are totally free of having done what they have done. But we knew it. This government knew it. They if they were robbers, if they were, they were our robbers, and therefore they cannot be penalized for something that our government knew they were doing and sanction quietly all this time. This is unfair.
Robert Lipsyte 20:00
In a sense of media complicity with the government turn entity well also our media has kind of turned with the government made mockery of Imelda and kind of made it all right in a sense to do anything we want to these people. Your your papers that you appear in as well
Cindy Adams 20:21
Yes I think the New York Post is right out there and slamming all of my friends unfortunately, but they were the first with Lon Nol all of my friends they they hit but the media is is like slavering dogs were after everybody. It's the Lifestyles of the Bitch and Famous. Take them all down. That's what we're doing these days. I am not saying she is guilty or not guilty. This is not my position. I am only saying the US should not be doing what it's doing.
Robert Lipsyte 20:46
slavering dogs, Richard Cohen, that's kind of almost a term you might use on some of the press attacks on people.
Richard Cohen 20:53
I think anything the press can trivialize it will trivialize and and nowhere is it more evident than in the Marcos trial. I I personally hold Imelda Marcos and the highest team I reserved from Marie Antoinette, I think she was the full partner in some very bad crimes. But I think what's happening with the press at this point, and specifically here in New York is that as we continue more and more to focus on her shoes, Newsday does a daily watch of her shoes. It provides a giant, giant digression for very important issues that could be coming up in the trial. And I fear that as as these revelations come out on a daily basis, we're going to be so busy as news consumers in the city, worrying about our jewelry and her fashions and our shoes that we're really never going to come to grips with some of the things we ought to understand about the American relationship with the Philippines. And I think that we
Robert Lipsyte 21:48
Richard you have some questions that you would like to have answered?
Richard Cohen 21:52
Well, I would like to know much more. As I said, I believe she was a full partner and in that relationship, and I would like to know much more about what the United States knew what what we countenanced. I think that the Aquino government is in a much more vulnerable position today than anybody in America realizes because because the news media generally don't give us that substantive coverage. I mean, I could ask you 10 questions about the economic stability of the Philippines or the future of Clark or Subic air base and what the United States posture is going to be in that part of the world? And those are all questions I think that have enormous input and understanding the the entire subject but But meanwhile, I'm just going to know more about Imelda Marcos his shoes than I am about any significant
Robert Lipsyte 22:40
you earlier mentioned Marie Antoinette and and Bess Myerson and Leona Helmsley also friends of yours, but to two other women, Cindy, you know who have been savaged in the press and in a sense taking what Richard said about how the press is obscuring things that he wants to know. Perhaps, beyond Bess Myerson, there was more to know about New York City Government and corruption, and certainly beyond Leona Helmsley more to know about real estate interests. But do you think that there's something in the slavering dogs, there's something in this press attack? Sorry, I said this. I'm not sorry. I just said, in attacking women, I mean, these these women seem most vulnerable to this kind of attack.
Cindy Adams 23:29
I suppose I should, as a woman say that I don't really I just think that they were women who were caught in power. And it's just the time for us to take down all of our heroes to make them anti heroes. Mrs. Marcos has suffered sufficiently she is destitute, she does not have money. She is not well, she has lost her husband. She has lost everything that they stood for what more to do, the Philippines is not going to be bettered. If she is sent to prison, the Philippines is using this to take as a digression away from its own problems within its own archipelago. Even if they had all that money back, there would still be the same poverty as witness there is in our own country. You know, that's what's going to go on. Do whatever you want with the with the Marcos's, but it's done. It's over. Why don't they just go on with their lives in the Philippines and try to improve their own country? There's a sufficiency going on in the Aquino government. That is not something we should be proud of also,
Robert Lipsyte 24:30
yeah. But if if indeed, she is convicted of criminal acts under
Cindy Adams 24:38
Who is convicting them? not the Philippines. We she is she was a sovereign ruler of a sovereign country, her husband, why why are we involved that
Robert Lipsyte 24:47
Well, The alleged fraud and racketeering was in in Manhattan, in the jurisdiction of the court that's trying her now. If indeed she is convicted and is convicted, if she's guilty, why shouldn't she be punished as we punish other criminals.
Cindy Adams 25:03
I just don't say she should not be on trial in the first place. We have the Central Park jogger rapists who so far have not gone to trial. Gotti walked But hey, we're getting Leona and Imelda. It just seems that we have our priorities somewhat skewed. This is my, my view.
Robert Lipsyte 25:19
Do you think we have our priorities skewed?
Richard Cohen 25:21
Oh, very definitely. And again, I see that as it plays out in the press, I think that we are never very good as a people at identifying and and being disciplined enough to to look at our real problems. I think that I think that we, we take any excuse we have for digression. And I think that the circus atmosphere which is like, it's like the Trumps, it just so trivializes all the proceedings that that I don't think when this is over, your average person is going to know any more than he or she knew before the trial started about the real issue.
Cindy Adams 25:58
My early days in the Philippines. When I was brand new there. We were being shot at on the streets. That was before the Marcos's were really in power. They were brand new at it, we would walk down the streets, people would shoot at us, kind of like they're doing in New York, and we were in a hotel and there were bullet holes all over us. My husband and I were ducking for bullets. Mr. Marcos came in and he martial law or whatever the streets were safe, we could walk about. I am not making them out to be any angels. But they weren't all the beasts that they are now becoming. That's one of the things that you're going to find going on again, incorrectly in the Philippines.
Robert Lipsyte 26:37
We're almost out of time, but she was a woman of enormous power. And once she stopped a hurricane
Cindy Adams 26:41
she actually did I realized I'm going to come off as retarded, but I was there and I saw it. I knew her and I brought the Miss Universe pageant there by making a phone call to her. We were televising live to 500 million people. And there was a hurricane over Luzon Island, and the we were about to lose the transmission. She sent up Piper cubs, the Philippine Air Force in Piper cubs, my eyelashes are larger than the Piper cubs. And they could have lost their lives, I suppose. And with orders to seed the clouds with iodine, nitrate bullets or whatever they call, the clouds were weighted. They flew out to sea or whatever clouds do when they're weighted, and the hurricane dropped 50 miles away in a square and the transmission was completed. And then two days later, the hurricane came back in over at Luzon Island. I saw it. I was there.
Robert Lipsyte 27:37
Cindy Adams Richard Cohen thanks so very much for being with us. That's the 11th hour. I'm Robert Lipsyte.
Interview concludes Lipsyte thanks Cohen and Adams.
Pan in on Lipsyte he announces the show and himself. Show Ends.
Show credits overlay wide shot of darkened studio with Lipsyte, Cohen and Adams seated at table.
Funding by Announcer and charitable orgs overlay The Eleventh Hour graphic.
Description: The Eleventh Hour - Show #351 Title: Marcos Guests: Ninotchka Rosca, Filipina Journalist; Cindy Adams, Gossip Columnist; Richard Cohen, Media Critic Original Broadcast Date: 5-2-90 Description: Imedela Marcos - Dragon Lady or Innocent Widow? America's possible complicity in her alleged fraud and racketeering. What her trial means to the U.S./Philippines.
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