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01:01:54 114.66 |
Announcer
Funding for the 11th hour is made possible by grants from the Woodward Wood Johnson Jr. Charitable Trust, the Commonwealth Fund, the Carl C. Icahn Foundation, Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation, the Jacob Burns Foundation, and the Members of Thirteen. |
01:02:33 153.86 |
Robert Lipsyte
Old time newspaper men like to describe journalism as comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable. But these days it seems as though everyone feels afflicted by journalism. Now, if you don't have a high powered public relations force, or the cloud of advertising you can cancel, what can you do? Welcome to the 11th Hour, I'm Robert Lipsyte. This is a story about a community organization that felt afflicted by the New York Post. If you haven't read about their anti post campaign, well, that might just be part of the affliction. |
01:03:31 211.42 |
Robert Lipsyte
On Sunday morning in Harlem celebrated Abyssinian Baptist Church. The congregation expects more than a spiritual renewal. |
01:03:48 228.04 |
Robert Lipsyte
The Reverend Calvin Budds also delivers a news update. |
01:03:52 232.19 |
Reverend Calvin Budds
I want you to pray with me now as we cover some of the issues important to the life of our church and community. You will hear that I'm involved in something called post busters. You know that I lead a boycott against the Daily News. But now we've discovered that the post is not hiring African American people hardly at all. Our editorial policy is absolutely terrible. So we stopped buying the Post. |
01:04:27 267.87 |
Robert Lipsyte
In New York City, more than 60 African American churches have committed themselves to sermons such as this, and congregations are being told to pass up the Post with the same fervor. They were told to vote for David Dinkus. The Post denies the charge of racism and refuses to acknowledge that such a boycott exists. Post busters was born here in the Roy Wilkins Family Center in St. Albans, Queens. The campaign was Oregon Eyes by CEMOTAP, Committee to Eliminate Media Offensive to African People. The Executive Committee is planning the second week of Post Busting activities, a letter writing campaign, and the distribution of posters and buttons. |
01:05:18 318.33 |
CEMOTAP Volunteer:
If you look back on our Post Buster buttons and also give each person 25. A bag of 25 |
01:05:25 325.21 |
Betty Dopson
We have 10,000 more buttons that just came off the market. So we're looking to expect you to see that everybody that you know, have one of these on their lapel. |
01:05:36 336.62 |
Robert Lipsyte
Betty Dopson, a public relations consultant is CEMOTAP's founder and co-chair. |
01:05:42 342.39 |
Betty Dobson
We're gonna have people standing at the subways to get people to become posted by purchasing these buttons. Robert Lipsyte The Post campaign is the group's first boycott. CEMOTAP has been monitoring print and electronic journalism in New York City for the past three years. Two years ago, they met with New York Newsday, Gary Hoenig, who was an executive at Newsday at that time. |
01:06:08 368.53 |
Gary Hoenig
But when you look at the body of evidence they put before us how we made our decisions, how we played stories about black people. We found, I found so much to my shock that the majority of stories that ran about blacks were only laudatory when we were talking about athletes and entertainment, people that standard stereotypes. And the rest of the time black people were portrayed in the pages of Newsday, as criminals, drug addicts, poor people with very little be proud of. And it certainly raised consciousness with the paper dramatically. Betty Dopson There are at least 1000 churches that we could contact and we could expect a very good response and support from if we just multiply that by 250. And most of them have far more members than that, then our Post Buster activity will be quite quite successful. |
01:06:57 417.17 |
Dr. James McIntosh
You mentioned the ministers, but there's a tremendous support from the community groups that I've met with Robert Lipsyte on the CEMOTAP agenda is a letter asking merchants to stop selling the Post. Dr. James McIntosh In the merchants letter that we got together, you realize that we asked them to distribute the African American press, Robert Lipsyte Dr. James McIntosh, a psychiatrist is co chair of CEMOTAP. |
01:07:22 442.84 |
Dr. James McIntosh
a part of our Post Busters the campaign is going to have to address itself towards shoring up and improving the quality and availability of alternatives to the posts. Betty Dopson Did we expect to have any resistance, you know, for many merchants, that feeling might be losing a little revenue, if you encounter any resistance and we're gonna keep very accurate records of this you know, if you encounter any resistance, you simply and politely excuse yourself, and leave. We only want those that want to be a part of this. Robert Lipsyte The command center of the war against the posters here in the basement of Dobson's Queen's home. |
01:08:03 483.45 |
Betty Dopson
There is no attempt on the part of the Post to show the wholeness of black life. This is a very dangerous thing that is happening. It is preparing this society to look upon us as people who contribute nothing. And that's entirely not true. It also prepares individuals to treat you in a very racist manner. For example, look at this cartoon that appeared recently, he chose the mayor of New York City with an axe varied in his head. And this axe indicates it's a budget. This is a very violent cartoon. And I suggest to you that it's only this violence simply because our mayor is an African American. Robert Lipsyte The New York Post, with a circulation of about 500,000, ranks third of New York's four daily newspapers. A quarter of its readership is black. Gary Hoenig More and more, when we talk about New York City when he talks about the electorate in New York City, you're talking about so called minorities and not a minority anymore. There are a majority, if the posts or any other newspaper is going to succeed again into the next decade and ultimately into the next century. They're gonna have to find a way to get readers among those populations. And I don't think they can afford the kind of boycott we're talking about here. |
01:09:15 555.8 |
Robert Lipsyte
If the congregation at Abyssinian is any indication, the Post Busters have struck the community nerve. Churchgoer What Reverend Budds said in regards to boycotting the Post, I sort of felt that it's automatic. Churchgoer And my husband is a daily buyer of the Post. And basically, you know, for the sports and what have you. And he's he's a very sports minded person, but this is something that he's gonna have to stop doing. Churchgoer Dr. Budds articulated the sentiments of the black community. Reverend Calvin Budds I'm talking about a paper that has traditionally just dumped on us and put on all kinds of sensational headlines. So please don't buy Gary Hoenig You can think about boycotts in previous time. In labor boycotts didn't last a long time, the ways in which a certain product or a certain name became identified with being anti labor and how long that lasts well after the dispute went on. If this is something they could legitimately carry on for a long time they could hurt the Post and hurt it fatally. |
01:10:16 616.27 |
Robert Lipsyte
Joining me is Betty Dopson and Dr. James McIntosh of CEMOTAP. And Gary Hoenig, editor of News Inc, a trade publication for the newspaper business. You've just seen them all on tape. Now, Jerry Notman, editor of the Post was invited, but declined. He told me that giving CEMOTAP attention would give them undeserved credibility. But he did tell me that he tried to call you, Betty Dobson, and that you didn't return his call. Was this a tactical decision? Betty Dopson He called it was a decision that I made. We wrote a letter to Peter Calico back in May of Yes, right. And at that time, we indicated to him we had some concerns about the Posts' coverage in a way it portrayed African Americans. And he had a female call about 30 days later. And she asked for more information on the organization. However, they never granted us an appointment. So for Notman to now be concerned about meeting with us, it seems, you know, a little after the fact |
01:11:13 673.95 |
Robert Lipsyte
Why the New York Post? It seems as though all four dailies have elements of racism in their coverage. Betty Dopson Yes. Well, we as you know, we monitor all of the print media, and the post was the most virulent the the Post, the coverage is more biased. It's more sparse, it's more racist. It's just a horrible paper, as far as Africans are concerned, Robert Lipsyte Dr. McIntosh, why at this particular time, why why are you going after the Post now? Dr. James McIntosh Well, the Post, basically, because CEMOTAP has been involved in building up our membership. We're at a point now where we feel the level of membership that we have and the support that we have in the community, as well as the Post financial problems, makes it the correct time to strike. Robert Lipsyte Gary Hoenig, in terms of the Posts' problems and The Daily News strike which may be looming. Is this tactically the time? Do you think you indicated that the Post could be hurt? |
01:12:10 730.69 |
Gary Hoenig
I think tactically, if you're talking about the short term, this is the best possible time. If you look at the Post situation. Remember, this is a failing business that exists at Peter Calico's largest. The only opportunity for the post to really come back as a viable newspaper lies in what happens to the Daily News. If you presume that the news goes on strike. The scenario is can Newsday or the post get enough papers out there and then attract enough readers permanently to be a strong force and overtake the news if it comes back at all? I think that could be hurt substantially by this kind of boycott. And so far as blacks represent a kind of readership that both papers need to pick up if they're going to be viable. Robert Lipsyte Now, I can understand why why the Post hasn't been covering the CEMOTAP story. But neither it seems as any other of the four mainstream dailies. Is this. Is this what newspapers do when the story is about themselves? |
01:13:01 781.46 |
Gary Hoenig
I think so. I mean, to be fair, I think that the campaign is relatively new. So it's difficult for me to judge on that basis. But newspapers are very protective and very self conscious about running about themselves. We found that at the magazines, and that newspapers are used to being uncovered, to operating and operating in a relative vacuum in terms of covering themselves and that they protect themselves. Robert Lipsyte Dr. McIntosh, you talked about creating alternatives. What does that mean exactly? Dr. James McIntosh I mean. well, at this point, we have enough black dailies. So that if each one is primary enough, black weekly, thank you. So the is each one of them put out a paper on a separate day, you would see the capability of the black community to put out a black daily newspaper. So what we need to do is to get more subscriptions to these black newspapers, get them more widely distributed around the city. And we feel that the alternative of having a viable black Daily Press would be something that would would occur to the community. |
01:14:01 841.44 |
Robert Lipsyte
And that's long term, CEMOTAP's and let's talk about short term, CEMOTAP met with Newsday, back when Gary Hoenig, was there was that work? Did you get the changes you wanted? Betty Dopson We there were changes, I have to say that there changes were made. The changes were made in the areas of photographs. We found that most of Newsday, these photographs were covering African American issues and concerns had dealt with negative depressing situations. We also took great exception to the fact that Newsday featured a number of front page stories where black men were in handcuffs and chains being taken off to jail. And that was one of our meeting points. They promised never to do that again. And at this point, we haven't seen that appear on the front page again. There were some other concerns that we had, and that was the sparse coverage. The fact that most of it was negative just as he as indicated earlier, and also the fair fact that they had no black expression of opinion in terms of a columnist. And of course, we weren't sure of the number of African American reporters. But in meeting with them, we were able to determine that they that they did exist. And since that time, they are writing a little more and their coverage around the African community is a bit more sensitive than than before. So yes, there were changes, just simply by sitting down and being in dialogue with the editors, we saw some changes. |
01:15:38 938.3 |
Robert Lipsyte
Do you think that this kind of pressure on the New York Post will not be lost on the other papers? Do you feel that there'll be a reaction in terms of this sensitivity of coverage? Dr. James McIntosh I think that the type of effect certainly if we can be successful in our mission against the Post, any other paper that's involved in the same business would have to take take note of it and be affected by Robert Lipsyte Dr. McIntosh, Betty Dopson, Gary Hoenig, thanks very much for being with us. We'll be talking to a journalist and to two media watchdogs, one of whom bid Andy Rooney. But first, our own media critic Richard Cohen has some thoughts about the media and the people who have assigned themselves to monitor it. Some of them seem to feel like Peter Finch in the movie Network. Peter Finch I want you to get up right now. Go to the window, open it and stick your head out and yell, I am as mad as hell. And I'm not going to take this anymore. |
01:16:24 984.69 |
Richard Cohen
The problem is even knowing who to yell at. The media today is such big business. news organizations today are as faceless and anonymous as any major corporation. News consumers don't like what they read or see on television newscasts, maybe madder than hell, but have little idea what to do about it. Richard Cohen People may wonder why a news event or a slice of the population is covered the way it is, or not covered at all. People often think that news tilts unfairly toward one political poll or another and always away from those who wield little political power at all. Sometimes, complaints against the press are real and important and necessary. Sometimes they're only imagined. But always the press just doesn't want to hear about it. News people hold every institution and all individuals accountable. They demand complete answers to all questions when they want them. But should the press a most powerful force in the lives of all people be held accountable for anything? No way. First Amendment, hands off The process, not thin skin or a road. It's no skin, so there can be no satisfaction for citizens seeking redress with the press. It's no wonder watchdog groups exist. In the era when consumerism altered the face of business and introduced the notion of corporate responsibility, there exists a desperation to make the press more responsive and responsible. The trouble is often that these groups have an axe to grind on one issue or simply a general point of view held sacred. These watchdog groups become hypersensitive and frequently overreact to reporters stepping on or even near their toes. Accuracy In Media, perhaps the best known anti present vigilante, sees a communist or at least a liberal over every typewriter. They harass news organizations with their conspiracy concoctions, and never addressed the real grievances that ought to be aired. GLAAD, a gay and lesbian activist group sees homophobes in every newsroom. They attack journalists for saying anything critical about them. Ask Andy Rooney about that. There is a climate of defensiveness in the press when these groups swing into action, however legitimate their claims. We may not like the issues they raise, but without them, no issues would be raised at all. |
01:18:54 1134.94 |
Robert Lipsyte
That was Richard Cohen, our media critic. Joining me now are Jeff Cohen, Executive Director of FAIR, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting. Craig Davidson, Executive Director of GLAAD, Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation an early critic of and campaigner against Andy Rooney's televised remarks, and Joel Dreyfus and associate editor of Fortune Magazine, and a member of the National Association of Black Journalists. Welcome. Craig Davidson, your organization, GLAAD, was formed as part of a protest against the Post a few years ago, as I recall. Craig Davidson That's right, the way they were covering AIDS in the period around 1985. Just after Rock Hudson died, it was incredibly sensational and homophobic. So the community which had been thinking about having a watchdog group for some time, coalesced around that and there was a town meeting where 700 people turned out to protest the Post. Did it work? Robert Lipsyte Did it work? Did you get any results? |
01:19:47 1187.59 |
Craig Davidson
Yeah, we got a lot of results. First of all, we did get a meeting eventually. I strongly feel that we got a meeting because we were willing to go down to South Street and demonstrate in front of the Post. We did tone down the AIDS coverage and we have gotten the Post to provide some better coverage of our community? Course in media? Who owns the paper gonna give in time? Who's the editor given time? It goes up and down. But overall, we think we've made some progress. Robert Lipsyte You think CEMOTAP will make progress based on what you know about it? Craig Davidson I think they will, if they it up, basically all of us are making arguments that a reasonable arguments, you shouldn't rely on stereotypes. You shouldn't have insults against minorities. And if you keep at it, you can eventually convince the media that that's true. Robert Lipsyte Yeah. Jeff Cohen, I don't understand why do we need this? I mean, the press is supposed to be the watchdog of democracy. Why do we need watchdogs watching the Watchdogs? |
01:20:35 1235.09 |
Jeff Cohen
I guess if they were watchdogs, we wouldn't be needed. If they were diverse, we wouldn't be needed. If they did go out and get the stories and, and, and put a spotlight on the power elite, and quit handling oppressed groups and oppressed minorities in an insensitive way, you're right groups like us would not be needed. Clearly. There's bigotry in the media. There's insensitivity toward gays and lesbians and African Americans labor that I mean, at fair, we fight for these groups that don't own any daily newspapers or any TV networks. Who is that environmentalists, consumer rights, labor, minorities. So clearly, the media are in the hands of an elite, that elite is pretty well protected and well spoken for. But all of these other groups often have very good grievances against the media. That's why media watch groups are needed. Robert Lipsyte Joe, you're a Post alumnus, as well as a writer fortune and and a member of the Black journalists in terms of CEMOTAP, feelings that not only is the community not represented, but there are not Black Journalists within the Post. |
01:21:46 1306.75 |
Joel Dreyfuss
Well, as far as I know, the New York Post has one black reporter on its entire newsstaff, and no editors, nobody who has any sane a decision making process. And that has been a battle that we've been fighting for 20 years. And that's the the fact that we used to joke as young black reporters in the media that at once we wrote a story, it was never again touched by Black Hand, that it was handled by people who were at best ignorant. And you know, I don't think that you you don't often find the rabid racist in the newsroom. But you find people who are just not very knowledgeable about these communities, you find people who have no interest in these communities, and therefore they don't think anything that happens is important. The tragedy is that these papers and news organizations are shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, if the post, the PISA here earlier said the post had a 25% black readership well, how far how much can you keep insulting people and then wanting their dollars? There was a piece I wouldn't let the other papers off the hook. There was a piece a couple of weeks ago in the New York Daily News about the high number of young black men in prisons, and it said, you know, I think it was a national figures. 25% of men in a certain group had had some contact with the prison system. The New York Daily News did a story saying the number is even higher in New York, and it says 80% of the inmates in the New York jails are black. Well, the statistics are totally unrelated. They one has nothing to do with the other. And I called and complain to an editor, but nothing happened. And this is where you see, I don't think somebody said, you know, I don't think they're a bunch of rednecks sitting around a table saying let's do this. But I think there's a lot of ignorance and a lot of, again, a lack of diversity. The people who do this are all alike. |
01:23:38 1418.4 |
Robert Lipsyte
Well, I mean, even in terms of wrong headedness in coverage, would you seem to indicate is also the fact that sometimes you don't read stories? Jeff, one of the things that surprised me in the smoke tap story is, I can't read about it. I mean, 60 black churches on a given Sunday, sermons were given about the New York Post. I hadn't read about it anywhere I can understand perhaps not reading about in the New York Post. But Jeff Cohen George sell this, the Dean of media critics once said that the biggest sacred cow of the press is the press itself. So it's not surprising that you're not reading about this kind of criticism from the black community. I think it's a big story. This is the first time I've seen it on television. I think it's a significant story when media consumers band together because they're angry, and and ask for balance ask for justice. Our belief at FAIR is that media, our political institutions, they're every bit as political as City Hall. And if you feel wronged by these media corporations, then the way to deal with them is politically- ask for meetings, write petitions if need be demonstrate, but at FAIR, our goal is to politicize the issue of media bias and censorship. If it's not seen, if the media are not seen as political. Then what happens is media consumers they just grumble to each other. And what you got to do is take your criticisms directly to the journalist and to the media corporate |
01:25:06 1506.42 |
Robert Lipsyte
FAIR is an overall media watchdog as a we're GLAAD is what would be called a special interest group. Is that tactic yours? Craig Davidson Well, I really object to the to the term of special interest group because sort of going along with what Jeff said, it's special interests are in charge of the media now. They're basically corporate and most of the reporters are white straight men, so that the news is not being reported by the media now, in some objective way. And it's not groups like us coming in and somehow sullying the current objectivity of the media. The point is that there's a particular group with particular values that's in charge of the media, and groups like ours who've been left out. So so the special interest, I think it's a slightly loaded term. What we do is represent the gay and lesbian community, which suffers several disadvantages in the media, like the African American community, we're very subject to stereotypes, and to reporters, not knowing anything about our community, and therefore not covering it. We think that we suffer a little more from the fact that that overt homophobia being called names, is still publicly acceptable. And it's publicly acceptable in the media. So that we face that level of problem to |
01:26:20 1580.62 |
Robert Lipsyte
Joel, in terms of making the media more accountable, which is really what we're talking about. Do you see any any danger in attacking an institution that is at least thought of as one of our one of the protectors of democracy? Joel Dreyfuss Well, I think the problem is that the media is most self righteous about its role as a protector. The fact is that in America, because we have the mythology of the impartial media, we which for example, doesn't exist in Europe. And I don't think Western Europeans are less well served by the fact that newspapers have political affiliations, party affiliations, in many cases, being liberal or conservative. In America, all our media like to pretend that they're very impartial. I think that I agree that the process of bringing the political bias to the surface forces news organizations to deal with these things the affairs reporting on on the sort of bias of of Nightline, the fact that they had the spectrum of guests went from sort of center right to far right. I think that's a case that's happening across the board in terms of media commentary and opinions expressed in the mass media. I think we have to bring that out, raise and raise, raise the consciousness and then I think you need the pressure of the consumer saying it's going to hurt you if you don't pay attention to these things are easily what we've been reading these issues for 20 years. |
01:27:45 1665.4 |
Robert Lipsyte
I was chatting with Joel Dreyfus, Craig Davis, and Jeff Cohen. Thanks so very much for being with us. That's the 11th hour I'm Robert Lipsyte. Announcer Funding for the 11th Hour is made possible by grants from the Woodward Wood Johnson Jr. Charitable Trust, the Commonwealth Fund, the Carl C. Icahn Foundation, the Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation, the Jacob Burns Foundation, and the Members of Thirteen. |
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