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Host Robert Lipsyte in studio at desk looking at camera. Camera focusing in and out on him.

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Title slate back again. The Eleventh Hour #110 Promo Take 2. Rec: 1/20. Dir: Andrew Wilk. Small circle overlay with live Host Robert Lipsyte

Take 2 Lipsyte tries introduction to program again. He announces show. Camera pans in and out on him, then goes dark.

Title Slate: The Eleventh Hour #110 TEASE. Rec: 1/20/89. Dir: Andrew Wilk. Robert Lipsyte seen live in small circle.

Lipsyte staring into camera, then drops down on desk jokingly

Title Slate: The Eleventh Hour #110 Bush. Rec: 1/20/89. Dir: Andrew Wilk

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Wide shot in studio with Host Robert Lipsyte and three guests sitting watching small television.

Cut back from television screen to studio as guest, Ray Patient (An AIDS victim) is sitting watching as camera cuts back to the TV with live scene of George H.W. Bush continued swearing in.

Older woman guest on program, Edith Edelson, and elderly activist, also sitting watching Bush gets sworn in.

Back with Host Robert Lispyste seated in studio with guests, he welcomes viewers and introduces himself.

Host Lipsyte introduces guests on the show, Edith Edelson from East Brunswich-a 78 year old retired teacher and currently activist on the aging; Larry Locke an organizer for the homeless; Ray Patient - an international sales representative diagnosed with AIDS.

Lipsyte breaks from interviews for a look at Bush's inaugural address. Lipsyte and guests focus on the small TV and watch the speech.

Back with Lipsyte and guests.
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Robert Lipsyte:
Well, does that does that mean that no more yuppies that?

Edith Edelson 7:55
I know he's what he says is good. It's a basic thing that we've been saying all along. So it's really nothing new. And it really does not point in a particular direction beyond generalized philosophy.

Robert Lipsyte 8:08
Now you you taught in the inner city, as a teacher, so I mean, you must have some particular feelings about the needs of people, people without possessions.

Edith Edelson 8:20
That's what some of the emphasis should have been. And I'm glad that he at least mentioned some of the homeless and so on which Reagan just swept under the rug that just didn't exist. So that may be something of a hopeful sign. But that's where the emphasis, really something should have been said about it. I don't know how inaugural speeches go, maybe they're not supposed to say in

Robert Lipsyte 8:40
I mean, we may be you know, we are we are looking for shards of hope, in the broken bottles here. But I mean, there is a sense that he is talking about domestic issues, which we really haven't heard too much about.

Edith Edelson 8:55
Right. And the hands on approach would indicate that he may come to grips with it. Yeah. Which is the important

Ray Patient 9:02
He's sort of fine to talk about using power to help people and that we need the well despite how great the challenges might be, but he's got to back that up with money. You talk about materialism, and I mean, people with AIDS, we need money for drugs. And and actually these days, we need money for hospices and better hospital care, and expanded Medicaid services.

Robert Lipsyte 9:25
But he did give a sense during the campaign of a more attention to that. Did you have a sense

Ray Patient 9:32
in during the campaign, especially during one of the debates he made, he mentioned something that's very helpful for us? George Bush is in a sense, the great deregulator for the Reagan administration, he was in charge of the program of deregulating some of the government regulatory agencies loosen business up, and he did mention that he felt the FDA could use improvement in the area of processing drugs, which I personally very much Need for my own survival.

Robert Lipsyte 9:54
You're taking AZT now,

Ray Patient 10:03
I'm taking AZT and I'm waiting for CD4. And that is a government drug that's coming through.

Robert Lipsyte 10:10
And I didn't mean to interrupt you, but the you feel that the deregulation might make it easier?

Ray Patient 10:16
Well, there are other ideas on drug research that are being promulgated. There's an organization here in New York called the community research initiative. And they have ideas on how to do drug research, that might be more effective and faster. And I think George Bush, having had his deregulation experience, should look at that, and and see how we can change the FDA and other public health services to make them more efficient

Robert Lipsyte 10:45
and more responsive. Larry, in terms of materialism, and people who have and people who have not, that's something that's on your mind these days,

Larry Locke 10:53
Sure is. He said some things that, again, through the campaign throughout the speech that they were very hopeful, again, that Reagan wasn't talking wasn't touching on, I just hope that he will implement some of the things that he said, especially the hands on approach is something that's needed in this country for more people in the private sector, state level local level to, to really reach out and touch some of the people that really need to help, you know, some of the organizations that exist to do the job that they're advocating that there are doing

Robert Lipsyte 11:32
Do you feel that the the sense of the age of materialism The Age of Greed that people feel that we've just come through the last eight years, really impacted specifically on the homeless?

Larry Locke 11:44
Well, certainly the homeless but knowing homeless, poor people in general, I think that the tax breaks that a lot of companies backed got a lot of the the monies that were slated for certain programs, and then programs not being able to exist because of no money.

Robert Lipsyte 12:08
I get the sense, I get the sense of very cautious optimism here that that George Bush has not necessarily sold you, I think let's move on to another part of the speech and see if there's something that we can all hold on to. He talks about moral purpose, and then he gets very specific about things going on.

President Bush continued speech live on TV, speaking about moral principals.

Bush at podium continuing speech about homeless, needy children, addiction, crime, etc.

CONTINUING INTERVIEW.

Larry Locke 13:54
Yeah it surely did, especially part about mothers having children and it might not love. I just don't I just feel uncomfortable about it. I don't think there's no substance in that. I feel that 99% of the mothers that have children, love their children love the child that she go nine months to have?

Robert Lipsyte 14:20
What what do you think he was saying? By mothers having children they may not love I mean this

Larry Locke 14:27
well, because of oh, maybe he was saying that because of despair because of economical disadvantages because of drugs. Because of crimes mothers might not have the sense, you know, have the sense of direction to even want or care for the child. But I doubt it is true, I think in all situations, no matter if a mother is a drug addict, no matter if she's a thief, a murderer. She if she has a child she care for the child

Robert Lipsyte 14:58
Did you have a sense that he is looking down on poor people by that,

Larry Locke 15:02
Thats the feeling I got,

Robert Lipsyte 15:03
In that that he sees them as not capable of the same kind of mother love that rich white people have.

Edith Edelson 15:09
I think it's also part of blaming the victim for the condition. And actually, and all these things that he mentioned. And I'm glad that they were mentioned. He doesn't mention it from the point of view of what government has to do, what the private corporations and so forth have to do, I would have liked to see some indication that the government will take a stronger stand in what has to be done

Robert Lipsyte 15:34
was in being specific, Edith, taking a stronger stand for older people. What about health,

Edith Edelson 15:40
health is our big problem. And there's nothing in this tour, nothing pointing in that direction. And we want to be independent. And we are with many chronic illnesses, but we need certain health care things, and we need a lower cost of health. So it'll be accessible. Nothing of that

Robert Lipsyte 16:00
Ray health care certainly become a priority of yours.

Ray Patient 16:03
And it relates a lot to the children to have, I'm sure you're well aware that there are many children who have AIDS these days as well. And perhaps George was, Mr. Bush was referring to children born with AIDS as a result of drug addiction or, you know, transmission in this in this route. And I think that it becomes a complicated problem to look at, because people aren't getting the help. In drug treatment programs, there aren't enough of them. And to talk about healthcare, you have to talk about education, the teenagers are screwing around like we did, you know, 10 20 years ago, and VD among them is like skyrocketing. So when you talk about healthcare, you've got to have services and education, and reaching out to the everybody in the population.

Robert Lipsyte 16:53
One thing that struck me in that passage was he equated addiction to drugs and addiction to welfare. I don't know what quite what to make of that. You do.

Edith Edelson 17:08
It's part of his blaming the victim

Robert Lipsyte 17:10
Thats blaming the victim

Edith Edelson 17:11
and and I dealt with people on welfare. And to say that they're addicted to welfare is just turning the world upside down. They would love to be off welfare. And their response to the week program in New Jersey, for instance, many of them have picked it up and work with it, and so forth. It's too sad commentary.

Robert Lipsyte 17:31
Well, we're still searching for the new breeze. Let's move on to another part of the speech.

President George H. W. Bush continuing inaugural address on television talking about how to end the problems - "will is what we need". - not money.

INTERVIEW

Robert Lipsyte:
Pitching in getting together that is that voluntourism is that? What does that mean?

Edith Edelson 18:47
when you have a deficit volunteer ism? Is that the way to go?

Robert Lipsyte 18:51
Or you would hope for more money? I mean, when he saw I want to say

Ray Patient 18:54
You know this is a this is where I'm disappointed with his inaugural speech because you know, if he wants to balance the budget, cut the military, I don't need bombs, I need drugs. I don't need a bigger armies. I need hospital beds. And he hasn't said that he's I think he's too afraid politically to do that. But I think we should look at the military and see where else maybe it can be made more efficient and trim it down and check out these wild stories of incredible corruption

Robert Lipsyte 19:25
and putting more money specifically back into

Ray Patient 19:28
I understand the need for military spending a strong defense. I think everybody knows it's terribly wasteful, as wasteful as some people claim the health care system is so

Larry Locke 19:38
you know, Bob, he made a mention of this in the inagural speech, but throughout his campaign, you mentioned the McKinney Act in terms of housing before for yo to fully fully country. That's the kind of thing that's the kind of bill that needs to be passed. I'm not saying McKinney Act Is the bill. But that's the kind of thing that that should be done for the nation of America.

Robert Lipsyte 20:07
The McKinney Act, as I understand it, offers emergency funding, basically for shelters and housing but still doesn't solve.

Larry Locke 20:17
It's just just a bandaid on the problem, but it's something we have nothing like that from the federal government standpoint. Now. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about something of substance from the federal government standpoint.

Robert Lipsyte 20:28
But he did indicate that the he really broke away from Reagan on that and he was interested in passage of the McKinnet Act.

Larry Locke 20:35
Yes, he did. He did.

Robert Lipsyte 20:36
But he didn't say so. And that disappointed you?

Larry Locke 20:41
Well, maybe he didn't have to incorporate that in his speech here, but I just would like to see him implement something of that nature,

Robert Lipsyte 20:48
but you would have felt better had he mentioned it.

Larry Locke 20:50
Yeah, I would have.

Out on the street in New York, Ms. Bella Abzug in nice red hat and scarf speaking with unseen unknown interviewer talking about President George HW Bush's promises. - she states blatantly, "Instead of screwing in the light bulb, you guessed it, he's getting ready to screw New York instead!".

Back in the studio with Robert Lipsyte and guests. CONTINUED INTERVIEW.

Robert Lipsyte 23:47
Well, I kind of get the sense that she doesn't feel that 1000 Points of Light, it's the light at the end of the tunnel. But Larry, you're feeling. Is she right? Is there a lack of sensitivity in this coming administration? Or is Bella a naysayer?

Larry Locke 24:06
At this point, I don't think it's fair to say this is not any sensativity we have to give it a chance, I believe. But what Bill was saying is absolutely true. We have to organize and hold accountable the President of the United States to to the to the job that he's doing. We have to hold him accountable. And that's what America isn't doing. And that's some of the reasons that we have a lot of domestic problems that we have, you know, I feel

Robert Lipsyte 24:36
and yet all three of you represent a collective organization of people working towards goals Edith's certainly.

Edith Edelson 24:45
Yeah, but we we have been effective in some instant a number of instances. But the problem is it's all fragmented. We've got to work for improvement all across the board. And I'd say here's the homeless here is this here is that we are all in it whether you're homeless or not. And Bella is, as usual, completely correct. It's the people's responsibility. I think that should be emphasized.

Robert Lipsyte 25:09
Ray do you feel? I mean, you have a specific agenda. Do you feel that people can get together around this whole pana pollution

Ray Patient 25:16
Well I saw it happen, I hope I helped it happen. The Gay Men's Health Crisis in New York is almost a miracle of urban neighborliness of people taking care of their own getting together, and then reaching out to communities. I mean, it was basically a bunch of gay guys got together and started this. And we realized that this wasn't a gay disease. And we reached out to the minority community, the, you know, drug abusing community and the hospitals, the healthcare community. So I've seen it happen. But again, you can't just do it on your own. You can't you can't, you know, you need help. We, we relied on the government, we got state help, and we got some federal help. And we couldn't have done that. We couldn't have done what we've done without that. Also, we're in New York, we're centralized, we're, we're politicized. You know, I know people upstate in the country, it's a lot harder for them to get services much harder. And why should somebody and say, West Virginia or Iowa, not get the same services that I get to have, right, because I get to enjoy

Robert Lipsyte 26:15
That's Certainly a federal issue needs to be national one, one more, one more, look at the inaugural address.

President Bush on television wrapping up his inaugural address.

Fade in back to studio from Bush's speech to Lipsyte and guests.

Interview concludes, Host Lipsyte announces show and introduces himself. Show end.

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