Slate: The Eleventh Hour #266, Aids and Art, Rec: 12/04/89,
Dir: Andrew Wilk
Countdown over title slate.
Charitable funding for program by Announcer and overlay the Eleventh Hour graphic.
The Eleventh Hour graphic and show opener
Host Robert Lipsyte in studio standing next to two small TV screens
Host Lipsyte talking about the topic of tonight's program, the Aids pandemic, giving the grim statistics. He welcomes viewers to the Eleventh Hour and introduces himself.
Lipsyte quotes from the World Health Organization that we are at a critical moment in the history of the disease and to combat it we need... "more scientific information, more medical care and more voices out there raising public awareness."
Host Lipsyte announces tonight's guest and introduces the musical group, Sons and Daughters.
Sons and Daughters We'll Get There (live)
Group of acapella folk singers perform a song with a message of Hope.
Performance ends, Host Lipsyte joins the group in the studio, and standing amongst them, talks about the importance of spreading the word about AIDS awareness to everyone. He talks about how the arts community has recently made a big effort to raise the national consciousness and remind the government who they think should be leading the fight.
Newspaper article entitled, Robert Mapplethorpe, Photographer, Dies at 42 with photo of Mapplethorpe.
Two other newspaper clippings overlay the Mapplethorpe article - George Whitmore, 42, an Author Who Wrote on the Impact of Aids; Cookie Mueller Dead: Actress and Writer, 40.
Newspaper clipping with photo of two male dancers - "Arnie Zane, 39, Choreographer and Dancer, Dies"
Another news clipping overlay the Arnie Zane - "Youri Egorov, 33, a Soviet Pianist Who Defected to Further His Art and another - "Charles Ludlan, 44, Founder of Ridiculous Theatrical Co."
Two people (workers) in art gallery moving giant paintings and leaning them all face down against the walls. with narration.
Phyllis Kind from Phyllis Kind Gallery talking with unseen unknown interviewer about how the art world has been profoundly influenced by "this horrific plague" (Aids) and cannot be minimized -..." and the plague isn't only in the art world its everywhere"
Thomas Sokolowski, Director Grey Art Gallery speaking with unseen interviewer about how the language of art could say something to the general population in some way (to raise Aids awareness)
Young people sitting on the floor in art gallery, legs crossed wearing large white bandanas covering their eyes (this and the following is part of the Arts Aids Awareness campaign)
Shot from behind in the dark, a person sitting crossed legged in an empty room with a white bandanna around her head looking at a neon sign that reads "Dream Lover"
Young girl, red hair, white T-shirt with black shirt underneath, eyes covered with large white bandana sitting facing camera. Thomas Sokolowski narrating.
Young person, long dark hair, white bandana covering eyes sitting in front of large white space with the word "jew" in large black letters in the upper left corner. Sokolowski narrating, states this artistic human demonstration is being called "A Day Without Art" (for Aids Awareness)
Silhouette of three people carrying a large rolled up black tarp, up the stairs.
Pan city view at dusk, from across a bay.
Same folks carrying a large black tarp, outdoors in a dry grassy area by the water, appear to be unwrapping the tarp.
Pan exterior the Guggenheim Museum, New York City. Narratorspeaks about the impact that Aids is having on society.
Thomas Krens, Director Gugfgenheim Museum speaking with unseen unknown interviewer about the gathering of awareness by the Arts community is forcing institutions to figure out what their role is and what the impact of Aids can have.
"General Statement on Institutional Response to Aids" pamphlets spread out.
Magazine or newspaper with the headline "Women Need to Know About Aids" written over the face of a young woman.
Man in a bold black and white print shirt standing behind reception desk and handing out leaflets and information to Asian woman.
Thomas Sokolowski from the Thomas Grey Art Gallery speaking to unseen unknown interviewer.
People in art gallery removing large prints from the walls and placing them face down also the walls (as part of Aids Arts Awareness Day - Sokolowski narrating about how politicians haven't listened to the needs and wants of the people with AIDS even though there were many fund raisers and campaigns.
Male, shot from behind, in white t-shirt, wearing a bandana tied around his head, and sitting cross legged on the floor in art gallery looking at art prints on the wall
A large black tarp hanging from the exterior top floor of the Guggenheim Museum blowing in the wind. Sokolowski narrates the purpose of the Arts Awareness Day is to prompt the government to take more Action!
Director of the Guggenheim, Thomas Kren speaking with unseen unknown interviewer about the Aids epidemic and the drain of it on our society.
Phyllis Kind speaking with unknown unseen interviewer about having one day of awareness and visibility
Two workers in an art gallery waling up to very large painting hanging on the wall, take it and turn it around facing the wall
Face down art canvasses leaning against wall in art gallery, all that is visible are the wooden frames
Wide shot exterior The Guggenheim Museum with large narrow black cloth hanging down from top of the building to the ground (in honor of Aids Art Awareness Day, 1989.
Interior art gallery with paintings face down leaning against wall, two
Host Lipsyte standing alone in darkened studio introduces first guest on the show, Dr Matilda Krim - Cancer Research Scientist at Sloan Kettering for 25 years and an early advocate of Interferon as a cancer fighter.
Cutaway and pan out on Lipsyte sitting with Dr. Krim in her beautiful home in the upper east side of NYC, the common center for the American Foundation for Aids Research which she founded.
INSERT INTERVIEW WITH DR. KRIM
been talking about this as a critical time in the history of AIDS Do you feel that's true?
Dr Mathilde Krim 9:30
It is a critical time because it's time to realize what is happening to the world with AIDS. And it's critical because we're at a kind of crossroads, we have still choices before us. We can either take action, you know, support research, Institute public education intensive, a consistent and, and devote the resources needed to doing this work. And then we can hope to contain the epidemic and also start controlling it because we are developing drugs that are suppressive of the virus that could conceivably also prevent or treat some of the opportunistic infections that kill people. Or we can continue to regard to do business as usual, to regard this as another disease, like all the others, and not respond the way we ought to, and then risk really to end up with a catastrophe of unprecedented dimensions
Robert Lipsyte 9:57
And that's was the shadow over the 90s
Dr Mathilde Krim 9:58
absolutely Well, the shadow is here already, and the 90s are certainly going to be much worse than the 80s. We know already on the basis of the number of infected people, and knowing that all of them are, at some point going to become ill, you know, we know that in the 90s, we're going to have 10 times more cases of AIDS than in the 80s. And that's for sure. Or just projecting on the past experience with the rate at which the create the cases of AIDS increase in numbers, the number of cases doubles, each 18 months in this country. And in other countries, that was even faster.
Robert Lipsyte 11:14
The implication of having a choice is that you're you're hopeful that something really can be done?
Dr Mathilde Krim 11:22
Yes, because research has been very productive of results. Considering that rational research has started only five years ago, you know, from the we could start it from the moment we knew the cause of this disease, we knew the enemy and could start studying it, and developing drugs specifically against it, and also start developing preparations that could be useful as a vaccine eventually,
Robert Lipsyte 11:47
at this point where you can do nothing or do something. Where are we? I mean, what do we really know now? And what what can science do right now
Dr Mathilde Krim 11:56
we know the cause, which is very important, and it's a single cause, which makes it this a problem that from the scientific standpoint is easier to solve than cancer, which is a variety of diseases with a complex causes. With molecular biology and the fruits of the biological revolution over the last 20 years, we can study this virus in more detail we have done so already, we know it better than most other viruses in such detail that we can, in fact, design drugs that specifically would inhibit what we call a viral function. If it's an enzyme, a protein, a gene that is specific to this virus, so that we could inhibit the virus and not the cells it infects, very specifically, that would be the ideal treatment, we have the capability of doing this, but we're not doing it, there is only one or two perhaps drug companies that have started research of that kind of that kind of rash on that kind of rational basis. What we have now is perhaps one or two drugs that effective, not good enough, though, when cannot take them for a long time, because they induce toxicity and also the virus finds a way around them,
Robert Lipsyte 13:19
somehow you make a sound easy, you make a sound, there are really very specific things that can be done yet now that are not being
Dr Mathilde Krim 13:28
that they require not only money, resources, but organization coordination, you know, purpose for work, by a large number of people with various expertise. We have nothing like this organized
Robert Lipsyte 13:41
where's where does this start? Washington? Geneva?
Dr Mathilde Krim 13:46
Well, it there are two sides really for doing this. One is industry and industry is really starting to think about it now that the number of future cases will be so large that AIDS is become a market. The second source of this kind of leadership should be the NIH, our national research institution. But the NIH cannot do anything without means provided by Congress. And Congress cannot do anything unless the public requires it, then this is why it requires an awareness on the part of everybody of the danger and other possibilities. And we don't have this yet. Most people still deny that this is a problem. That should concern all of us
Robert Lipsyte 14:32
rolling it back to the public. Is this first level that would have to stimulate the Congress? What don't people know that can kill them?
Dr Mathilde Krim 14:41
They don't want to know? They don't want to know. It is too horrible to contemplate. And so there is a natural revulsion to facing the danger. In the same way people don't like to think about the danger of 50,000 atomic bombs in this world, you know Secondly, there are a large number of people already sick already affected by this disease. But there is not much sympathy for them because we have had any rational moralistic, self righteous response to it. And many people have said those who have this disease deserve it, they, you know, they have brought it on themselves, which is, of course, ridiculous. But it has justified
Robert Lipsyte 15:29
Why do you say it's ridiculous? Do you think it's just a fluke, that it started in the homosexual community
Dr Mathilde Krim 15:31
It has nothing do with the homosexual community really, when you think of it, homosexuality has been with mankind, and is as old as mankind that he has never caused AIDS. AIDS is not caused by homosexuality is it's caused by a virus, this virus came to this country through ports of entry that were it's big by coastal cities, it's so happened that in those cities, there were large gay communities. And the link is between the level of sexual activity and these communities because this virus is transmitted sexually, and through blood. So when it reached either the gay community or the drug abusing community, it found a way to spread within this community is very fast. Secondly, this virus does not cause disease immediately, there is a very long incubation period that can last we know today, on average nine years, but perhaps in some people 15 and 20 years, so that it spread in those two communities before we knew that it was here that it existed. And this is why even today, despite the fact that the the the gay community has made enormous effort to educate its people and they have become educated, they have changed their ways, the spread of the virus is down to virtually zero in this in in that community today. But we are paying the price. Now the cases of AIDS we see among them today are results of infections acquired 10, and 15 years ago, and it is too late for many of them
Robert Lipsyte 17:08
you think that in denial in the heterosexual community will cause the disease to spread within. I mean, because people, people, you know, leading heterosexuals have said it will never break through.
Dr Mathilde Krim 17:23
That's ridiculous. You know, viruses don't care about the sexual orientation
Robert Lipsyte 17:30
Is that that will we're going to see in the 90's.
Dr Mathilde Krim 17:32
Of course, when we have predicted this, you know that this would happen. It was not believed, well, it's happening already. And in fact, the group in which this virus is spreading the fastest at this moment, are women. Because Originally, it was mostly men who were infected because they were IV drug users, gay men, bisexual men are mostly men. Now we see a wave of infection in women. And because these are young women, sexually active women, therefore relatively young, also in childbearing age. So we see a spread of the infection in babies. And we have 1000s of babies who are sick already in New York, on the East Coast, I should say, because it involves also New Jersey and other states of the East Coast. And we're going to see more of it very rapidly.
Robert Lipsyte 18:21
Later in the program, we're going to have an essay by the artist David Maravich, who expresses his outrage at his lovers death and blames the church and state one for not allowing the spread of safer sex information, or the other for not allocating funds quickly
Dr Mathilde Krim 18:37
He's right. We knew in 1982 that we were dealing with a venereal disease, we knew where it was at the time, which was in in a relatively small group, a nucleus of people on the eastern West Coast. There is an organization of a physician called physicians for human rights, who pleaded for help in 1982, and tried to educate its people but without means they were not given means by the government to do more. The Gay Men's Health crisis of New York was founded then pleaded for help from our mayor and did not get it. We missed an opportunity to educate the gay community then they did it by themselves by their bootstraps. So by the time they became effective, efficient at doing it, it was 1984 1985 1986 it was too late.
Robert Lipsyte 19:29
And the same thing is going to be recapitulated and we are repeating this you can reach out very quickly and what what would you tell people to do heterosexual people, people who might not consider themselves part of the, you know, the the IV drug user or gay community and
Dr Mathilde Krim 19:43
it's very simple. It's, you say the same thing you say when for the prevention of any sexually transmitted disease, you say, be careful with whom you have sexual relations, tried to cut down on the number of partners try to know somebody well, very well before you undertake an intimate relationship, and then stick to one partner. And for a while, also practicing for sex, which is use condoms, and a lot of good sense and learn how to use condoms for a while, yes, because if a relationship is really solid, and is to last for a long time, then people should have themselves tested which can be done very simply, anonymously, discreetly, and from the non if they are really trusting, if the trust worthy, and they promise each other faithfulness, then they don't need to use precautions anymore,
Robert Lipsyte 20:36
you make a sound very simple, which which makes me wonder is it is some kind of larger meaning in the fact that we are not going ahead that we are not taking either these, you know, specific personal proportions, or those the larger proportions, you know, through government,
Dr Mathilde Krim 20:53
the larger meaning, I think the larger meaning is that it is very difficult to overcome prejudice. The idea that certain people the, for what they are or what they do are more at risk than others. The second larger reality is that it's very difficult to face danger to acknowledge it, and also that it is very difficult to change human behavior, particularly something as fundamental as sexual behavior. And it requires efforts on different levels.
Robert Lipsyte 21:32
This seems something paradoxical in in your fundraiser, sometimes we've seen opulent, and, you know, men in drag, entertaining. And yet out there social workers talk about not being able to find people who will come and touch Yeah, children and people with AIDS,
Dr Mathilde Krim 21:53
well, to start with, fundraisers show that people can touch, you know, we mix. And it's fun, and it's great. It's wonderful. I think there is something to be said about applauding the diversity in mankind, you know, makes it more interesting. The, no, we don't cultivate opulence. But the public, you know, trust certain people and among them, celebrities, people who enjoy prestige and recognition in society. And for these people, you need a certain standard of elegance and comfort. And this is why fundraisers have a certain elegance and lavishness. It's not something that is done for any other reason that then facilitating fundraising and public education and public attention.
Robert Lipsyte 22:51
Dr. krim, the worst case scenario, if you and others are not listened to what will happen in the 90s,
Dr Mathilde Krim 22:59
we will not be ready, we are going to see our hospital system, suffer from a serious breakdown at have too much strain on nurses and physicians, they cannot make bankruptcy really, we're going to see a terrible tragedy develop in the third world to you know, in certain areas of Africa, 10 15 20% of the total population is going to be sick in the next 10 years. And this is going to spread of course, also to Asia, it will be a terrible problem in Europe, perhaps a little less severe than here. Because in Europe, there is national health insurance, and right to treatments. But in this country, there will be such it will be so shocking and so painful. Because remember, we're going to lose young people and babies, not old people, as with cancer or heart disease that it's likely to affect. Really our outlook on life. Our feeling about life is going to be very, very painful. This is why we have to limit this problem to the extent we can.
Robert Lipsyte 24:13
Dr. krim Let's hope that the other road is the road that's taken. Thank you very much for being with us.
Interview with Dr. Krim concludes, Host Lipsyte thanks her.
Host Lipsyte standing alone in the studio sets the backdrop for his next off-site guest, Artist, David Wojnarowicz. When Wojnarowicz raised his voice in pain and outrage about watching his lover die in an Artshow catalog, as a result the NEA threatened to withdraw funds were withdrawn.
Wide shot dark gray industrial style building, no windows, with big red doors and "Artists Space" written in red above doors. A poster leaning on botton left wall of an unknown older man with the words "Art Bigot" handwritten on his forehead. Narration by artist David Wojnarowicz.
Pan out on building reveals large black sign hanging above doors "Artists Space" - unseen the artist David Wojnarowicz narrates about the controversy.
Wajnarowicz walking in an art gallery, stops and removes mask and observes artwork displayed on the wall. He narrates about how he has to wear a mask because of controversy he feels has put himself in danger
Pan Wajnarowicz art work involving a personal narrative - with narration.
Wajnarowica shot from behind as he spouts his very angry narrative with rage. Pan down on his clenched fist.
B&W photo close up still of a dark haired bearded man in bed, mouth open in pain, eyes half shut.
Photo of a pale hand with dark fingernails resting on white bedsheets.
Bare feet resting on bedsheets
Close up of art work (enlarged typewritten words on a canvas with overlay of a man dying of Aids) by Wajnarowicz as he is heard reading it very angrily
Pan out on Wajnarowicz standing reading the narrative (art work) on the wall.
Montage of paintings depicting the Aids epidemic - as narrator talks about Aids.
Wajnarowica shot from his waist down, holding his mask and hands clenching his knees as we hear his angry voice.
Host Lipsyte standing in the studio introduces musical group, Sons and Daughters to close the show. He announces the show and introduces himself.
Sons and Daughters (live)
Show credits over Sons and Daughters performance.
Funding for the show by announcer and overlay the Eleventh Hour graphic.
Description: The Eleventh Hour - Show #266 Title: Aids and Arts - AIDS Awareness Day/ Artistic community Guests: Dr Mathilde Krim, American Foundation for Aids Research Original Broadcast Date: 12-11-89
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