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Murray Lerner 00:02
Final question, if you're right, the Times are A'changing and made me really is an anti traditional song, in a sense, parents get out of the way, it's pretty radical. It's the opposite of what you said about the impact of tradition on music. And I'm wondering what that means, right? |
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PETER YARROW - TALKS ABOUT " TRADITIONS ' IN PEOPLE'S LIVES AS A RICHNESS OF CULTURE -
Peter Yarrow 00:32 Right, right, right right. The idea is that, again, tradition, as it legitimately exists in families to note the goings and comings of lives and fortunes and tragedies and murders and, and trains and, you know, ships and poems that that is, it's all richness of culture. But when people adopt a perspective that engages in a kind of insistence upon a value system that is destructive, that is insensitive, that is uncaring, that is small minded, then you're not talking about a tradition, then you're talking about a socio pathology in a culture. Peter Yarrow 01:56 That tradition of the kind of belief systems of the Neocons is not a tradition? This is a socio pathology. The tradition of this thinking of parents who hated Blacks or Jews is not a tradition. It is a sociopathology, that needs to be challenged. Traditions, as we're talking about them, that recognize in a people's way, in a grassroots way, the things that legitimately happen to us. Those inevitably bring out the best in us. The time of a birth, see, seems to allow people to celebrate what's decent in them. Christmas seems to bring out more decency, rather than prejudice, although not categorically but to a large degree. But any doctrinal, any doctrine, but any doctrine that emerges from a culture that becomes a way of pushing away other traditions or other people is to me a spiritual misstep, a piece of building a sociopathology and a tradition of negativism. |
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Murray Lerner
I agree, but it's true. I felt that Newport in the years I was there that the kids were coming together there to say, parents get out of our way. Was that spirited? Peter Yarrow 04:16 Well, there was because the parents, there was the sense of Newport, they were saying, you people over 30, you don't get it? Because to a large degree, the point of view that we were espousing was something that was viewed by older people as dangerous and destructive to the things that they felt were important. In point of fact, there is always the tension between the new movement towards something which generally is embraced by young people, and people who are frightened by it. |
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Peter Yarrow 04:51
Particularly you'll see it in academic institutions, where new ideas are repressed are suppressed. and not recognized. And it happens in medicine, it happens. That is the nature of the beast. But when you have a period of time, and when, when in which enormous changes must take place, because the emperor has no clothes, then you see that the dynamic between those who would hold it back, whether they're parents, or whether they're people who are stuck with a set of premises, that would forbid that progress, you will see real action and you will see a real conflict. There were people in those days, who would literally get furious when they'd see long hair, they just would, because for them, it was symbolic of something that they feared it as they identified it as a drug culture or something that would turn over what they believed in that because cognitive dissonance, which is the theory of cognitive dissidence says that if something is going to contradict what you truly believe in, you're gonna hang on to that belief. |
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Peter Yarrow 06:19
And if you believe that your, your, your son or your daughter should not marry a Jew, you bring some Jewish kid in, you're gonna get furious. So mothers and fathers get out of the way. You bet. If you bring in an African American kid, or an Asian kid, it was unheard of, mixed marriages at the time. Now, we've made a lot of progress because the parents got out of the way. And not just the parents, but the old thinking that was unable to rest itself from the chains of that kind of it authentic in authenticity, lack of generosity, and a lack of understanding of the dynamic of a society that lives in, in a caring sense and in peace. That's why folk music was so powerful because it sometimes appealed to people who disagreed with it. But it did so by proposing in a very loving and caring way, an alternative. That's the difference between some of the nihilistic music of hip hop and so the folk music that always said, Come this way. It was much more a request for an embrace than it was asking for a fight Murray Lerner Okay, thank you |
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INTERVIEW ENDS
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CU Peter Yarrow's hand strumming guitar.
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Peter Yarrow
The Times They Are A-Changin
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Peter Yarrow performs Bob Dylan cover.
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